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KathTheDragon
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Post here to submit words or phrases to the project! Please give the D'ni (and say which transcription standard you're using) and a surface translation (doesn't have to be English, though it would speed things up). Also include references, such as related or derived words. Here's an example:

D'ni ~ rahshah (RTS)
English ~ dark (adjective)
References ~ D'ni rahshahth ~ shadow

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May 3, 2014 at 4:08 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another!

D'ni ~ sekh hahrtee X (RTS)
English ~ I'm X years old

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May 4, 2014 at 1:13 PM Flag Quote & Reply

KathTheDragon
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D'ni ~ kahnradem don erthzithahth (RTS)
English ~ You're out of your mind ~ lit. You think like a Low One (singular of The Least)

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May 10, 2014 at 11:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Larry LeDeay
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As part of my project to post information on D'ni measurements, calendar, math, etcetera, I noticed that the breakdown of the names of the D'ni months were not part of Khreestrefah's dictionary.

I propose that the names are a shortened form of "vailee", the word for "month", followed by an alternative adjectival form of the D'ni numbers for one through ten. That the word "lee" is a shortened form of "vailee" is documented and confirmed. Ref: old drcsite.org.

The numbers are appended to the word "lee", and that means they may be a form of numeric adjective used as a suffix. Thus, "leefo" would translate as "first month".

Observations: When used as a suffix, the adjectival form of the number drops the word "gah" from compound numerals, but keeps the suffix used for 10 (voo).

1 (fah): -fo (first)
2 (bree): -bro (second)
3 (sehn): -sahn (third)
4 (tor): -tar (fourth)
5: (vaht): -vot (fifth)
6: (vahgahfah): -vofo (sixth)
7: (vahgahbree): -vobro (seventh)
8: (vahgahsehn): -vosahn (eighth)
9: (vahgahtor): -votar (ninth)
10: (naivoo): -novoo (tenth)

Conjectures: The suffixes for 15, and 25 (-bor, and -see) would remain unchanged if the pattern holds true. Noting that "ah" and "ee" both change to "o" in the above examples, I would guess that 15 (heebor) would become 15th (-hobor), and following numbers would be -hofa, -hobree, -hosahn, etcetera. The same applies to the words for 11th through 14th, since we can see from 10th that "nai" converts to "no".

11: (naigahfah): -nofo (eleventh)
12: (naigahbree): -nobro (twelvth)
13: (naigahsehn): -nosahn (thirteenth)
14: (naigahtor): -notahr (fourteenth)

15: (heebor): -hobor (fifteenth)
16: (heegahfah): -hofo (sixteenth)
17: (heegahbree): -hobro (seventeenth)
18: (heegahsehn): -hosahn (eighteenth)
19: (heegahtor): -hotahr (nineteenth)

This leaves open the words for 20th through 24th, as there is no example of how to convert the i in "rish" to an adjectival suffix form. 25th is easy to extrapolate, though, since it uses known elements.

25: (fahsee): -fosee (twenty-fifth)

July 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Larry LeDeay
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In the same vein as the previous post, I submit this for discussion.

We know the names of D'ni months from the old drcsite.org. However, the names of days are not mentioned. All dates are written as month and day, with the day being written in numeric form (such as "leefo 24"). Presumably, the D'ni had written and spoken forms for days as they did months, since it's hard to say "I'll meet you there on the 19th" if you don't have a word for it.

Given the example of the month names, I propose that, unless proof appears otherwise, that the D'ni could have named their days using the same pattern as the months. If so, then we'd have something like:

1st day: yahrfo (or possibly yahfo?)
2nd day: yahrbro
3rd day: yahrsahn
4th day: yahrtahr
5th day: yahrvot
6th day: yahrvofo
7th day: yahrvobro
8th day: yahrvosahn
9th day: yahrvotahr
10th day: yahrnovoo
11th day: yahrnofo

And so on. Any thoughts on the matter?

July 23, 2014 at 1:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Korov’ev
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I prefer the contracted form yafo... the 5th day would be yavot :)

 

Perhaps -riš becomes -raš, paralleling the -sen > -san change. Note that -tor becomes -tar, so 15th might also be -hobar.

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July 24, 2014 at 2:50 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Larry LeDeay
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  I also like the contraction of yahr into yah, since it more or less parallels the contraction of vailee in the month names.

  Rash is as good an idea as any. I looked at the table of D'ni letters in a 5x5 grid to see if there were any patterns in the layout that might explain how to convert the vowels, but that was a washout.

  Since the only example we have (the word for 10th) keeps its suffix intact without a vowel change, -voo, -bor, -see, -rah, -lahn, -mehl, and -blo probably remain intact without a vowel change. So...

novoo = 10th
heebor = 15th
fosee = 25th
forah = 625th
folahn = 15,625th
fomehl = 390,625th
foblo = 9,765,625th

  Not that the higher numbers matter much, since at the moment it appears that the system may only apply to calendar dates.

July 25, 2014 at 12:00 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Larry LeDeay
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Argh. Messed up. 15th would be "hobor".

July 25, 2014 at 12:47 PM Flag Quote & Reply

KathTheDragon
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Update: My apologies. This is now also the discussion thread. Carry on.

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July 25, 2014 at 11:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

KathTheDragon
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I've been thinking of allowing words from other discussion threads on the forum to be submitted directly to the Proposals thread without being resubmitted here. So, for example, if we were reasonably sure that shal means 'extend' (from the Negilahn animal names thread), a comment could be made in that thread or in this thread requesting adding it to the Proposals thread. What d'you guys think?

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August 30, 2014 at 6:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Korov’ev
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D’ni ~ untíl (NTS) / unteel (OTS).

English ~ neighborhood.

References ~ Well, homage to Untíl Uru  :)


D’ni ~ uruto (NTS/OTS).

English ~ square, plaza.

References ~ From uru ‘large community’ and to ‘place’.

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September 24, 2014 at 4:54 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Korov’ev
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D’ni ~ yarmet (NTS) / yahrmet (OTS).

English ~ today.

References ~ From yar ‘day’ and met ‘this’.


D’ni ~ yarental (NTS) / yahrentahl (OTS).

English ~ tomorrow.

References ~ From yar ‘day’ and (mar)ental ‘following’.

 

 

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October 10, 2014 at 2:38 PM Flag Quote & Reply

KathTheDragon
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Ooh, I like that derivation for 'tomorrow'

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October 11, 2014 at 2:32 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Korov’ev
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More submissions! Obvious reference for these is barelmagenec roha ;)


D’ni ~ roha (NTS) / rohah (OTS).

English ~ robot.

References ~ From ro(v) ‘person’ and ()ha ‘machine’.


D’ni ~ barelmagen (NTS) / bahrehlmahgehn (OTS).

English ~ wizardry, magic.

References ~ From barel(tan) ‘Maker’ and magen ‘power(?)’.

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November 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM Flag Quote & Reply

KathTheDragon
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I'm going to bump this to remind people that just submitting words isn't enough; there needs to be discussion, and subsequent agreement that the word in question would be a good addition to the language.

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February 7, 2015 at 6:21 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Korov’ev
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D’ni: vokænyar___ loraget (NTS) / vokanyahr___ lorahgeht (OTS).
English: happy birthday.
References: From vokæn ‘birth’ + yar ‘day’ + adjectival number (as proposed by Larry LeDeay), and lorag ‘grace (?), joy (?)’ + et (adjectives-forming suffix). Example: vokænyarhosan loraget ‘happy 18th birthday’.

It wouldn’t help much if I discussed my own entries, didn’t it? :D
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August 20, 2015 at 3:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply

KathTheDragon
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Who else is going to do discussion?

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August 21, 2015 at 6:34 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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